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Trudeau the despot stepping on civil liberties
« on: May 24, 2016, 07:04:46 AM »
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/23/justin-trudeau-canadian-prime-minister-seeks-feder/
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau seeks federal ban on anti-transgender speech
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has announced federal legislation that would expand hate speech laws to include gender identity and gender expression.

If passed, the legislation would also make it illegal to prevent an individual from getting a job or to discriminate in the workplace on the basis of gender identity or gender expression.

Mr. Trudeau, the leader of Canada’s Liberal Party, introduced the bill Tuesday marking the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia. He said the proposed law would “help ensure transgender and other gender-diverse people can live according to their gender identity, free from discrimination, and protected from hate propaganda and hate crimes.”

“Everyone deserves to live free of stigma, persecution and discrimination — no matter who they are or whom they love,” Mr. Trudeau said.

“This enactment amends the Canadian Human Rights Act to add gender identity and gender expression to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination,” a summary of the bill reads, The Blaze reported. “The enactment also amends the Criminal Code to extend the protection against hate propaganda set out in that Act to any section of the public that is distinguished by gender identity or expression and to clearly set out that evidence that an offense was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on gender identity or expression constitutes an aggravating circumstance that a court must take into consideration when it imposes a sentence.”

Similar legislation has previously failed to pass Parliament several times.

Mr. Trudeau’s government has the majority of seats in the House of Commons so his legislation will likely pass there. After that, it will go to the unelected Senate, NBC News reported.

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You know, there's nothing worse than giving absolute power to a fascist and then watching what he'll do.  Because he'll make sure that you regret it.  Less than 1% of the population, but we better damn well institute anti-Free speech laws to protect individuals who are too weak to handle someone of a differing opinion.  Between backing the TPP and now this, Trudeau is really showing how horrible a leader he truly is.  Everyone always said he'd be such a great leader with a legacy like his father's, and yet, here we are with something far more damaging to society than affirmative action.

With this kind of thing it'd be hard for a business to reject a transgender individual from a job even on the grounds that they don't qualify at all, because it's too easy to claim you were "discriminated against."  And it isn't like it isn't a common occurrence for the special snowflakes to apply for jobs that they're woefully unqualified for and then when they don't get it, whine to their friends that they were discriminated against.  You know what never gets social acceptance is making something a prohibited action to talk about.  It creates a notion and a precedent that these people play by different rules and reduces them to the level of a child that they need big daddy government to step in and enforce an iron fist over offences that probably don't exist.

What's next?  A federal ban on anti-pedophile speech?  You can't discriminate against sex offenders!!

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Re: Trudeau the despot stepping on civil liberties
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2016, 11:17:12 AM »
good point. I also find the whole bathroom debate laughable.

If someone has the parts to use a room then by all means go ahead.

But unfortunately this will lead to predators to take advantage of the these laws to attack and exploit women. There are more predators than there are transgender folks. And no, no one is calling transgender the predators.


Also anyone see the irony of Bruce springsteen refusing his services to North Carolina because they participate in a behavior he disagrees with? (re bakers refusing services over something they disagree with) 


Anyways good point, but political correctness will lead to this stuff.



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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2016, 08:03:04 PM »
I feel that this could potentially lead to even more bigotry, be it racial or sexual. One other thing that the government dose not consider is that law's like this will open the door to discriminate against "straight" people for fear of getting a bad rep with the community they are designed to protect.
If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense.
Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't.
And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would.

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Re: Trudeau the despot stepping on civil liberties
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 12:58:59 PM »
to the original point, you realize that's the same response regarding affirmative action for blacks, women and essentially any law revolving around gays as well.
If you're argument is that its less than 1% of the population, perhaps people are trying to get in front of the issue instead of lagging behind as in other examples.
Not saying I agree or disagree.

The bathroom thing is built on fear of the unknown, just like so many other issues, at least in my opinion.
Personally, I don't really care either way, but my first thought is this, assuming I understand the argument. Men will dress up a women and go in the women's restroom and sexually assault you and your kids.
What, pray tell, is keeping or kept them from doing it in the first place? I don't see security guards outside restrooms checking to see who is a legit guy and girl.
Plus, to use the less than 1% percent thing, there have been minimal, if any happenstances of events declared as possibilities now.
It just seems blown out of proportion and pandering by political powers.
Ill add a wonderment…granted, Im not ts and am ignorant about their plight, but can't the family restroom suffice?
From my own experience I can tell you that growing up in the 80's and 90's, I saw women use the men's restrooms countless times, with no fear of retribution, at all, nor caring the effect that might have on men/boys who witness such an event.
Because, fuck them, right?
hell, just in my gym last week, there was a woman janitor in the mens locker room, for no other reason than to just be there. No problem with anything, just routine cleaning, which, any guy could've done, lets face it, or, could've waited until close, but, fuck that, she can go in there, no problem.
Flip that script. Could a guy janitor get away with that? Shit, he'd be thrown in jail.
None of this latter rant has anything to do with anything, just thought it was interesting. And, Ill point out, by and large, men don't give a damn.

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Re: Trudeau the despot stepping on civil liberties
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2016, 01:07:28 PM »
Oh and just since you mentioned pedophiles, this came to mind.
I can't bring up a source, but I read a few articles not long ago about trying to understand and treat pedophilia, primarily before an assault occurs. people are obviously afraid to come forward, even with somewhat benign signs for fear of retribution, socially and legally and understandably so.
By that I mean the discussion was essentially a thought crime piece. Do we put people away for that, we should try to treat them, and it devolved into, they are pedophiles, death penalty..
I found it to be an interesting read although its such a disturbing topic, I didn't read a lot further on it.
Again, that has nothing to do with anything, just an observation.

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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2016, 04:14:14 PM »
Oh and just since you mentioned pedophiles, this came to mind.
I can't bring up a source, but I read a few articles not long ago about trying to understand and treat pedophilia, primarily before an assault occurs. people are obviously afraid to come forward, even with somewhat benign signs for fear of retribution, socially and legally and understandably so.
By that I mean the discussion was essentially a thought crime piece. Do we put people away for that, we should try to treat them, and it devolved into, they are pedophiles, death penalty..
I found it to be an interesting read although its such a disturbing topic, I didn't read a lot further on it.
Again, that has nothing to do with anything, just an observation.
Honestly, I think that there's problems with the sex offence laws already and you can get labeled a pedophile for too many things.  I only used that as a ridiculous example to emphasize my point.  That the moment something you don't like becomes offgrounds to discuss, you have rendered people without the right to express themselves and be protected under free speech laws.  I'm against any form of liberty being taken away, and any form of rights violations because once someone takes a freedom/liberty from you, you will never get those same freedoms and liberties back.

In terms of freedom being taken, government has been stepping far too broadly over the last 20 years, and things have really gotten out of hand.  Knowing that you might get pulled aside to get strip and cavity searched by goons at the airport with no just cause, it makes people not want to travel and not want to fly.  But this even worse than that, because it's not just about taking away liberties, it's about controlling thought.  You may not express an opinion about this group unless it's shiny happy people feelings.  That's crap, turning it into a hate crime to say "I don't like those people" in any way you choose is ridiculous.

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Re: Trudeau the despot stepping on civil liberties
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2016, 12:27:51 PM »
to the original point, you realize that's the same response regarding affirmative action for blacks, women and essentially any law revolving around gays as well.
If you're argument is that its less than 1% of the population, perhaps people are trying to get in front of the issue instead of lagging behind as in other examples.
Not saying I agree or disagree.

The bathroom thing is built on fear of the unknown, just like so many other issues, at least in my opinion.
Personally, I don't really care either way, but my first thought is this, assuming I understand the argument. Men will dress up a women and go in the women's restroom and sexually assault you and your kids.
What, pray tell, is keeping or kept them from doing it in the first place? I don't see security guards outside restrooms checking to see who is a legit guy and girl.
Plus, to use the less than 1% percent thing, there have been minimal, if any happenstances of events declared as possibilities now.


To the point on the security Guard out side of bathrooms there isnt one, but if it is illegal to be in a bathroom (staff members of the opposite sex I have no issue with) a local government can prosecute offenders.


This isnt a straw man argument for me. I have examples of why I have an issue with this.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/01/california-man-dressed-woman-busted-videoing-womens-bathroom/
http://abc27.com/2016/04/21/man-caught-in-womens-restroom-charged-with-child-porn/
http://wkrn.com/2016/04/07/man-charged-after-allegedly-filming-in-smyrna-womens-restrooms/

Its not Bigotry, its for women's safety.


 



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Re: Trudeau the despot stepping on civil liberties
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2016, 03:07:09 PM »
Oh and just since you mentioned pedophiles, this came to mind.
I can't bring up a source, but I read a few articles not long ago about trying to understand and treat pedophilia, primarily before an assault occurs. people are obviously afraid to come forward, even with somewhat benign signs for fear of retribution, socially and legally and understandably so.
By that I mean the discussion was essentially a thought crime piece. Do we put people away for that, we should try to treat them, and it devolved into, they are pedophiles, death penalty..
I found it to be an interesting read although its such a disturbing topic, I didn't read a lot further on it.
Again, that has nothing to do with anything, just an observation.
Honestly, I think that there's problems with the sex offence laws already and you can get labeled a pedophile for too many things.  I only used that as a ridiculous example to emphasize my point.  That the moment something you don't like becomes offgrounds to discuss, you have rendered people without the right to express themselves and be protected under free speech laws.  I'm against any form of liberty being taken away, and any form of rights violations because once someone takes a freedom/liberty from you, you will never get those same freedoms and liberties back.

In terms of freedom being taken, government has been stepping far too broadly over the last 20 years, and things have really gotten out of hand.  Knowing that you might get pulled aside to get strip and cavity searched by goons at the airport with no just cause, it makes people not want to travel and not want to fly.  But this even worse than that, because it's not just about taking away liberties, it's about controlling thought.  You may not express an opinion about this group unless it's shiny happy people feelings.  That's crap, turning it into a hate crime to say "I don't like those people" in any way you choose is ridiculous.

I agree with this

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2016, 03:13:53 PM »
to the original point, you realize that's the same response regarding affirmative action for blacks, women and essentially any law revolving around gays as well.
If you're argument is that its less than 1% of the population, perhaps people are trying to get in front of the issue instead of lagging behind as in other examples.
Not saying I agree or disagree.

The bathroom thing is built on fear of the unknown, just like so many other issues, at least in my opinion.
Personally, I don't really care either way, but my first thought is this, assuming I understand the argument. Men will dress up a women and go in the women's restroom and sexually assault you and your kids.
What, pray tell, is keeping or kept them from doing it in the first place? I don't see security guards outside restrooms checking to see who is a legit guy and girl.
Plus, to use the less than 1% percent thing, there have been minimal, if any happenstances of events declared as possibilities now.


To the point on the security Guard out side of bathrooms there isnt one, but if it is illegal to be in a bathroom (staff members of the opposite sex I have no issue with) a local government can prosecute offenders.


This isnt a straw man argument for me. I have examples of why I have an issue with this.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/01/california-man-dressed-woman-busted-videoing-womens-bathroom/
http://abc27.com/2016/04/21/man-caught-in-womens-restroom-charged-with-child-porn/
http://wkrn.com/2016/04/07/man-charged-after-allegedly-filming-in-smyrna-womens-restrooms/

Its not Bigotry, its for women's safety.

My point simply was what was preventing guys from doing this before? Absolutely nothing. And, it happened before all the hubbub.
It was just an observation.

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Re: Trudeau the despot stepping on civil liberties
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2016, 09:24:26 PM »
to the original point, you realize that's the same response regarding affirmative action for blacks, women and essentially any law revolving around gays as well.
If you're argument is that its less than 1% of the population, perhaps people are trying to get in front of the issue instead of lagging behind as in other examples.
Not saying I agree or disagree.

The bathroom thing is built on fear of the unknown, just like so many other issues, at least in my opinion.
Personally, I don't really care either way, but my first thought is this, assuming I understand the argument. Men will dress up a women and go in the women's restroom and sexually assault you and your kids.
What, pray tell, is keeping or kept them from doing it in the first place? I don't see security guards outside restrooms checking to see who is a legit guy and girl.
Plus, to use the less than 1% percent thing, there have been minimal, if any happenstances of events declared as possibilities now.


To the point on the security Guard out side of bathrooms there isnt one, but if it is illegal to be in a bathroom (staff members of the opposite sex I have no issue with) a local government can prosecute offenders.


This isnt a straw man argument for me. I have examples of why I have an issue with this.

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/01/california-man-dressed-woman-busted-videoing-womens-bathroom/
http://abc27.com/2016/04/21/man-caught-in-womens-restroom-charged-with-child-porn/
http://wkrn.com/2016/04/07/man-charged-after-allegedly-filming-in-smyrna-womens-restrooms/

Its not Bigotry, its for women's safety.

My point simply was what was preventing guys from doing this before? Absolutely nothing. And, it happened before all the hubbub.
It was just an observation.

Yes it could have and probably happened before. But before you could call the police if a man was in a ladies room. Now you are a bigot if you do.



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Re: Trudeau the despot stepping on civil liberties
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2016, 03:13:06 PM »
I think thats a touch extreme. if you're calling the cops just simply because of the indignation of a transgender =person then yea, wear that bigot badge with pride.
Calling the cops for a legitimate threat however, is completely valid.
I know you were probably being facetious